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Understanding the Limitations of Thermocouple ReadingsDaily Coffee News by Roast Magazine



(Editor’s observe: This text originally appeared within the September/October 2017 concern of Roast Magazine. Photographs by Rob Hoos and figures tailored from Cropster export information. Hyperlinks have been added for context.)

Which of the roasts illustrated in Figures 1–3 do you assume resulted in the most effective flavor for the Colombian Huila coffee I used to be roasting?

Why do you assume it was a greater profile than the others?

Which of the roast profiles seems to be probably the most acquainted to you, or is most in step with the best way you roast espresso?


The truth is, these will not be three totally different roasts, however all measurements taken from the exact similar roast. Three thermocouples have been positioned in the drop door of the roaster and measured the similar 2 cubic inches in the roasting drum. The variations between the graphs within the thermocouple readouts; plot form; price of rise (RoR), which measures the temperature change over time; and completed temperature all occurred as a result of there have been three totally different thicknesses of thermocouple measuring the identical coffee simultaneously (Determine 4).

While a thermometer uses the recognized enlargement of a cloth (liquid or strong) to measure temperature based mostly on modifications in quantity or measurement, thermocouples perform in a different way. Merely put, a thermocouple is a temperature measurement system that uses the distinction in voltage between two wires product of several types of metallic. The temperature is measured at the junction of the 2 wires. These wires are sometimes sheathed in a metallic coating, which varies in thickness and materials. Alternately, there are resistance temperature detectors (RTDs), which base measurements on the difference in temperature by passing a low voltage present by way of the system and measuring the voltage drop, which has a recognized correlation with temperature. Regularly in our business we inaccurately discuss with any measuring gadget in a roaster as a thermocouple. In this article we’re speaking about actual thermocouples, specifically the thermocouple situated in the bean pile contained in the roaster.


As specialty espresso roasters, we’re often introduced with a big drawback: We’re successfully unable to speak to every different about our roasting course of, method or outcomes with regard to bean temperature as a result of the measurement of the “bean temperature” is just not transferable from machine to machine. Individuals ask me questions on a regular basis about turnaround time and temperature, maximum/minimum RoR, end temperature, and so forth. Nevertheless, the drawback with these questions is the relative nature of bean probe thermocouples and the way they relate to temperature readings.

On this article, we’ll evaluation some experiments using three totally different roasters and varying thicknesses of thermocouples. At the end of the day, I hope to make you query your thermocouple, perhaps expertise some existential disaster over the truth that we don’t really know exactly what is occurring and, lastly, make you are feeling a way of calm as you understand our thermocouples still give us an distinctive potential to regulate quality and produce superb coffee.


Three thermocouples of different thicknesses. From left: 1.6 mm, Three.2 mm and 6.Four mm.

What Are We Seeing?

I need to begin by asking a seemingly simple question to assist us frame the conversation: Of what exactly is the thermocouple positioned in the bean pile reporting the temperature? The seemingly simple answer is, “The mass of beans rolling round in the roaster.” Nevertheless, this answer is wrong. The truth is, the thermocouple is reporting its own temperature, particularly at and near the tip of stated thermocouple.

What, then, is influencing the temperature of the thermocouple?

That’s difficult, as a result of the thermocouple is affected by sheath thickness, probe placement relative to the roaster design, probe placement relative to the bean pile, the bean mass, the airflow filtering by means of the bean mass, air velocity and burner changes. We should continuously remind ourselves that the actions of a skinny (1.6-mm [1/16-inch]3.2-mm [1/8-inch] or 6.4-mm [1/4-inch]) piece of metallic jammed inside a metallic machine — with scorching airflow filtering by means of the espresso beans and radiative heat, and full of natural material — usually are not going to report with 100 % accuracy the temperature of that organic materials’s floor, let alone its inside core. We should always as an alternative be content to discuss the measurement of bean temperature by means of a thermocouple buried in the bean mass contained in the roaster as being a proxy for the theoretical bean mass temperature. Perhaps it is best to name the “bean” temperature thermocouple the “course of” temperature thermocouple as an alternative. (In mild of this, we’ll seek advice from it as the process temperature thermocouple from here ahead.)


Experiments in Thermocouple Readings

Now let’s begin to delve into the causes behind temperature readouts on the method temperature thermocouple in relation to roasting coffee, and how these may influence our understanding of the info we receive through the espresso roasting course of.

The first variable value contemplating is the thickness or measurement of the sheath on the thermocouple. The key consideration right here is responsiveness. Sometimes speaking, thinner thermocouples are more aware of temperature modifications, whereas thicker thermocouples have larger thermal inertia and tend to respond extra slowly. This is not solely true in espresso and occasional roasting; it is true throughout the temperature measurement business.

As one other instance, Figure 5 exhibits three widespread thicknesses of thermocouple shifting from boiling water to ambient air temperature. As you possibly can see in the diagram, there are vital differences in the fee of cooling between the three thermocouples. The 1.6-mm thermocouple cools the quickest, with the three.2-mm thermocouple close on its tail. The thickest thermocouple (6.Four mm) is remarkably sluggish to return to room temperature, and after almost 10 minutes nonetheless registers 10 degrees F larger than the opposite two.


Turnaround Time/Temperature as a Perform of Response Time

One of the first locations we see the response time inflicting a big difference is in the turnaround time and temperature. Turnaround is how we describe the thermal equilibrium between the thermocouple and the bean mass at the start of the roast. In most roasting techniques, there is a requirement to preheat the metallic and the air circulating by means of the machine to be able to build a thermal capacitance or cost to assist the roast move by way of the earliest stage, where the steepest RoR is required. Subsequently, the thermocouples are heated significantly because the roaster is preheated.

When the beans are dropped in at room temperature, this causes the thermocouples to chill shortly as the beans are being heated quickly because of the thermal gradient (the variations in temperature throughout the substances within the roasting drum). Where the thermocouple reaches a zero-degree-per-minute RoR, we have now a theoretical thermal equilibrium between the bean mass and the thermocouple. This is the moment we discuss with as turnaround.

Turnaround, then, is just a perform of the thermal cost of the roaster, the thermal mass of the espresso beans and the responsiveness of the thermocouple. For the roast pictured in Figures 1–Four, we noticed three remarkably totally different turnarounds for the same roast. (See Determine 6 for a better take a look at the turnaround points.) The thinnest thermocouple (1.6 mm) skilled turnaround in 47 seconds, the 3.2-mm in one minute 43 seconds, and the 6.4-mm in two minutes 46 seconds. Effectively, there was a one-minute distinction between each of the thermocouples. Notice that this does not imply the espresso experienced something totally different, merely that the temperature studying gadget was totally different and thus gave totally different results.

The Spread During and on the End of the Roast

We additionally see this difference in thermocouple response time through the roast and with the ultimate temperature. Some might presume the thermocouples should improve in alignment as time progresses, and ultimately should all report the identical temperature. This isn’t the case, nevertheless, as we’re continuously adding heat power into the system, and the thermocouples are continuously reading slightly in a different way because the precise temperature (and the purpose at which they might all ultimately reach equilibrium) is consistently climbing. Had we plateaued the warmth software totally, we might anticipate them ultimately to align, but the roasting course of is one during which we are pretty continually applying some heat and experiencing an RoR higher than zero degrees per minute. Subsequently, the thicker thermocouples will all the time be in a state of lag compared to the thinner thermocouples.

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What Does Response Time Mean for Roasters?

This leads us to the query: Which thermocouple’s response time is most according to that of the bean mass? I wouldn’t say it’s inconceivable to know the exact response price of the bean mass. Scientifically, we might determine it out (as some researchers have) by implanting a thermocouple inside a bean and holding one other thermocouple on the surface of the bean to watch the temperature gradient and the bean temperature. But this is not practical for the production roaster.

The problem in determining a “most correct” response time is that the rate of warmth power absorption of the bean modifications, and the chemical and bodily properties of the bean change — along with the fact that beans of various sizes, moisture content, water exercise, densities and cultivars doubtless will react barely in another way. As the coffee dries out, as it loses density, as it goes via the glassy transition, all of those reactions trigger modifications to the rate of power absorption. Subsequently, it is possible that no single thermocouple will give us a perfect view of the bean’s temperature, and even the direct impact on the bean pile of modifications we make throughout roasting.

That being stated, thermocouples are fantastic proxies that assist us perceive the internal workings of the roasting mass higher than we ever would without them. Moreover, the method temperature thermocouple is a tremendous device for consistency. Not that it’ll essentially be consistent from machine to machine, but inside the particular person machine it provides us the power to fairly intently replicate roasts. I might offer you instance after example of a espresso having an identical roasted shade (whole-bean and ground, within 1 to 2 points on the ColorTrack and Agtron scales), where the roast was ended utilizing only the bean temperature thermocouple to determine the endpoint and drop time into the cooling tray.

Another essential consideration is that thicker thermocouples are likely to naturally filter the info, or clean the road, as a result of they don’t seem to be capable of react as shortly. This could make it seem like the curve being graphed (or the espresso being roasted) is progressing more desirably, however it’s actually just a smoothing perform of the thermal lag (the delay in response time). Though durable, they will typically be too sluggish to react and should not give an accurate sufficient indication of what is occurring in the drum. Typically this will lead to unintentional variations in roast which you could style on the cupping table but not see on the info logger.


Loring’s new miniature demonstration roaster in the testing bay at Loring Sensible Roast in Santa Rosa, California. Here you possibly can see the return air and bean probe thermocouples.

Bean Temperature and Price of Rise (RoR)

One other query is, how does this theoretical distinction between the response price of the bean mass and the response price of the thermocouple affect our understanding of RoR measurements?

If we’re not solely reading the bean temperature, and if the response time of the process temperature thermocouple is totally different from that of the bean mass, what can we perceive from RoR measurements and how can these assist us?

Taking note of RoR is useful in trendy roasting, in that it acts as a number one indicator of the bean mass temperature and helps drastically in our quest for consistency. It isn’t mistaken that roasters are taking a look at it with a new enthusiasm and interest. The truth is, I want roasters would pay extra consideration to the temperature of the air getting into the roasting drum, then RoR, then course of temperature with regards to monitoring warmth switch for efficiency and consistency.

That being stated, I consider it is very important contemplate rigorously what RoR is telling us. As said beforehand, a thermocouple tells us its personal temperature, not essentially the temperature of the substance it is immersed in. Likewise, RoR for the process temperature thermocouple shouldn’t be displaying us the rate of change of the bean mass per se, however fairly the speed of change of the thermocouple stuck inside the bean mass, as affected by its response time. Whether at any given point the beans are absorbing heat extra shortly or slowly than the thermocouple is up for debate and must be significantly investigated in future scientific studies; nevertheless, we should always not assume they’re the same, merely that the method thermocouple’s RoR is a proxy for that of the actual bean mass.

Figures 7, eight and 9 show multiple thermocouples on three totally different machines during three totally different roasts. Specifically, let’s take a look at the top of the roast, the place I consider you’ll agree we see some fascinating outcomes.

I need to draw your attention to the varied shapes the RoR curve can take throughout the identical roast. In all the roasts, we see the 1.6-mm thermocouple react strongly to the burner adjustment round first crack. It even exhibits an fascinating phenomenon the place it dips and then comes again up when it comes to the RoR. Meanwhile, the thicker thermocouples do not expertise this in the same method. They experience a continuing decline (excluding the US Roaster Corp roast, during which the 3.2-mm thermocouple rises 0.Four degrees F from its bottom-out level to the top of the roast).

Theoretically, the temperature of the thinner thermocouple is probably going considerably greater than the actual bean temperature, and thus decreases with the removing of warmth software again toward the actual bean temperature, and begins to rise with it after the very fact. Once again, this illustrates that thermocouple measurements are utterly depending on the probe you’re utilizing to measure. It additionally attracts into question, with such quite a lot of slightly different-sized pieces of metallic, how totally different is the precise bean mass compared to what we’re measuring?

I might also like us to think about this when it comes to defining or prescribing a most RoR firstly of the roast to keep away from defect, and a minimum RoR on the finish of the roast to avoid what many confer with as “stalling” or “baking.” As a result of thermocouples are so totally different, they demand us to have totally different expectations when it comes to both a most and minimal RoR, that are dependent on machine, probe placement and probe thickness.


Thermocouple Placement

One other explanation for measurement differences is the location of the thermocouple, which affects the amount of exposure to airflow and radiant power, among different things — and these differences may be amplified depending on batch measurement. Table 1 illustrates the impact of thermocouple placement inside the roaster.

Notice that the 6.Four-mm thermocouple placed in a special location provides us a fair much less responsive studying relating to modifications within the bean mass. As we close to the top of the roast, we see that the variance between the totally different placements is more and more expansive. To point out how dissimilar these measurements could be, let’s take a look at the widest potential range aspect by aspect. Figure 10 exhibits a roast of a Kenyan espresso with a 1.6-mm probe situated in the drop door and a 6.Four-mm probe situated to the highest left of the drop door.

Similarly, Determine 11 exhibits a roast profile match achieved on two totally different roasters, a Probatino and a Loring, through which the same primary profile was accomplished to the identical whole-bean and floor end colours (Probatino 60 WB, 55 GR; Loring 61 WB, 54.54 GR in accordance to the ColorTrack bench mannequin | Probatino 68 WB, 93 GR; Loring 68 WB, 92 GR, in line with Javalytics utilizing the Agtron Gourmand Scale).

For both roasts, the espresso entered yellow, brown and first crack on the similar time. The Probatino’s thermocouple was placed within the faceplate above the door and was thicker than the thermocouple placed contained in the Loring’s drop door. In both of those situations, we see the potential for the broad distribution of thermocouple readings based mostly on thickness and placement. It makes me marvel how a lot “different-looking” profiles may be attributed merely to totally different thermocouple varieties, thicknesses and placement, and have little to nothing to do with the best way the roaster applies heat to the coffee.


The Take Away

After finishing the exams detailed on this article, I consider we will make the following conclusions about thermocouples and the right way to use them most successfully:

Contemplate shifting to a thinner thermocouple positioned decrease within the drum (within the drop door). The Loring we use at Nossa Familia Espresso was the sixth machine built by Loring. When we started roasting on it, the method temperature thermocouple was close to the top left of the drop door and was 6.Four mm thick. We roasted on that machine in that configuration for fairly a while. We observed that, sometimes, the profile can be bang on but the espresso would style just a little baked. We chalked it as much as a type of issues in coffee roasting that is unnecessary, and we simply stored up on our production cupping to do move/fail on the beans before sending them out.

Once we upgraded to Loring’s present configuration (the 1.6-mm thermocouple in the drop door), we ran each for a while. Although we have been nonetheless utilizing the 6.Four-mm as our management, we have been watching the 1.6-mm thermocouple to study the way it was totally different and grow to be acclimated to it before absolutely switching over. What we started to see helped us make sense of what was occurring with these “off” batches. Though the thick thermocouple was smack on profile, the thinner thermocouple truly showed us going into unfavorable RoR. We had been dropping power publish first crack and “baking” the coffee with out realizing it. For us, shifting to that thinner thermocouple in the drop door made a huge distinction in high quality control.

Please notice that making this variation will make it vital to transform your profiles both slightly or completely.


A US Roaster Corp 3-kilo roaster operating with 1.6-mm and three.2-mm thermocouples in the faceplate.

Keep in mind that thermocouple measurements are relative and only a proxy for the actual bean temperature. There are not often straightforward solutions in life, and occasional roasting is not any exception. One can’t simply take a look at a computer-charted roast profile and say whether or not a espresso is sweet or dangerous, whether it passes or fails. You will get numerous info from the profile, and if it is annotated with shade modifications, occasions, management modifications, weight loss and end colour (whole-bean and ground), chances are you’ll even come near understanding what happened through the roast, nevertheless it isn’t good. For instance, it is potential to have an RoR that’s adverse while the roast continues to be progressively getting darker and persevering with to crack vigorously. (This happens by pushing the roast onerous till proper earlier than first crack, then dropping off the burner. The RoR plummets, but the beans continue darkening and cracking vigorously. Then you’ll be able to finish the roast before the beans truly end their forward momentum.) This isn’t widespread follow, nor am I saying roasters should purpose to do that — I’m merely suggesting that the trajectory the beans travel throughout roasting is way extra complicated than a graph will make it out to be.

If you want to goal for a sure form of profile or a sure aim together with your RoR, that’s awesome; nevertheless, I might encourage you to not obsess too much over particulars which are related to imperfect proxies for bean mass temperature. Use the thermocouple and profiling knowledge to purpose for general consistency. Use techniques and methods to adapt the flavour of the espresso by way of roast manipulation into one thing you and your clients like, and then hold delivering that very same nice espresso. Use colour measurement info, weight reduction, solubility measurements and production cuppings to double-check yourself and keep constant.


Know that everybody’s roaster, type, customer base and thermocouple is just a little totally different. If something sounds off about the best way somebody is roasting, it doubtless has to do with these elementary differences in how we view our roasting world. When you’re simply starting, speak to the roaster manufacturer about find out how to use its machine and speak to other individuals who use that same roaster, however avoid obsessively comparing your self to others. Typically one thing so simple as a special ventilation setup may cause your machine to roast in another way and your thermocouples to skew barely because of variations in airflow via the machine.

Finally, take pleasure in your self, take possibilities, innovate, and relish the fantastic depth and complexity that exist inside our business. Deal with coffee like jazz music. Study the principles — or tips, as it might be — then don’t be afraid to bend and break them.

It is clever for roasters to continue to attempt for consistency, and to do our greatest to know what is occurring contained in the coffee roaster, however we should achieve this with each eyes open. At the end of the day, process temperature thermocouples are extraordinarily helpful for consistency, however the knowledge they report just isn’t as correct as many in our business may consider.